An Interview With Jack Millett
Wayne K. Johnson
Ryukoku University
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This is part two of a series of interviews with Jack Millett. Part one,
conducted in November, 1996 in Kyoto, was published in the October/November
1997 issue of TESOL Matters. The following interview report includes
yet unpublished details from the first interview, as well as a second interview
which took place in Kyoto in November, 1997.
Jack Millett is a teacher trainer at the School for International Training
(SIT) in Brattleboro, Vermont. He has played a significant role in the development
of the Master of Arts in Teaching (MAT) program at SIT since 1971. For more
than a quarter of a century Professor Millett has observed and educated
teachers around the globe.
Can you tell us a little about your background in teacher-training?
In the early 1970s, I studied at the School for International Training
(SIT), and I have been affiliated with the school ever since, though I left
two times temporarily. Once was when I worked in Barcelona, Spain in the
mid-1970s, teaching teachers about the Silent Way. Then, in 1981, I came
to Japan for two years and directed the language program at Proctor &
Gamble. I supported the teachers, did some teaching, and observed some of
the instructors who were working there--they were rather special: Donald
Freeman, Kathleen Graves, and Alice Hinds. In Japan, I also taught courses
related to teacher training in the Silent Way at the Center for Language
Learning, in Osaka. I've been back at SIT since 1983 working in the MAT
program.
SIT is known for its emphasis on experiential learning. Can you tell
us a little about how you train teachers experientially?
Yes. Let me give you an example of experiential learning which takes
place in our Approaches to Teaching Second Languages course. First, we have
our MAT students participate in a language lesson taught in a language they
do not know, using a particular approach. In order to understand the approach,
we have them work in pairs (or groups) to analyze what occurred during the
lesson: how it was designed, what techniques were used, and what theories
it was based on. In the whole group, they are asked to share their observations
and analyses. We subsequently guide them in exploring these observations
and analyses more fully by touching awarenesses that they didn't have, or
that they hadn't yet expressed. These discussions are followed by in-depth
reading of the theory behind the approach used in the lesson. In the final
phase, we have them apply their individual understanding of the approach
by designing and teaching an actual language class where they put theory
into practice.
In an experiential program do you think it is essential that students
have a written record of their experiences or reactions to their experiences?
In terms of an experiential learning cycle it is absolutely critical
for students to keep a written journal of their thoughts before, during,
and after each experience because it is one of the ways that they can reflect
on their experience and then ground it. So by putting their reflections
in writing, they are forcing themselves to clarify their understanding of
the experience. It is possible to work without a written journal, but for
deepening one's skill of observation, and for sorting out what is actually
happening, it is necessary to record the experience in some way.
What are some of the common themes or areas that you work on when
you supervise teachers?
Well, one of the challenges in teaching large groups is how to set a
task for everyone--all of the time. The tendency is for people to relate
to one person in the group, so they'll do something with one student, then
another student, and then another, and the other forty people have nothing
to do. But teachers have to become aware that there are things you can do
to integrate other students.
For example?
One thing that often happens is when a student uses an "I"
statement (e.g., "I went to Osaka yesterday."), you can always
move that to a 'he' or 'she' statement. So you can ask other students in
the room to be ready to tell what the other person said.
Many teachers think that this is boring, but it really does begin to
make everybody responsible for what is happening in the class. Anything
that students hear, that I say or other students say, the whole group is
accountable for. I can also ask one individual to say something, or I can
ask the whole class to report what was said.
Another way to keep the whole group accountable is to work with one person,
one person, one person, then have others tell what has just been said. I,
as the teacher, can follow this activity up by summarizing what was said.
This shifts the energy so that it becomes a listening activity where students
listen to me as a native speaker saying the same thing that has been said
by the students. This puts it back out to the group but in a different way.
I can also recall what students said, but incorrectly. This really pushes
their listening. I attribute what Kenji said to Yukiko, and play with the
language and the content. I can also shift after getting six or eight responses
and move to a dictation.
When you work with the whole group the interaction cannot be teacher
to individual, teacher to individual, teacher to individual. That is just
deadly. When you do this, you are inviting the rest of the people to tune
out. Working the whole audience is absolutely key.
Another theme is getting teachers to look at their own energy or body
language to see how it influences the group. Sometimes moving physically
closer to or further from students can affect the interaction in the class.
Depending on the culture, even if you just move closer to a student (or
the group) the energy shifts--you often don't have to say anything.
For me, teaching is energy. If you are not attentive to the energy, the
content will most likely go nowhere. Without attention to keeping the energy
level up and the students focused, nothing really happens.
What do you do when you have a class and the energy is just dead?
Shift gears!
First, you have to recognize that the energy is down, whatever you are
doing isn't working, so you stop it--which is the hardest thing for most
teachers to do--to stop the activity and shift to something else.
But, you also can't stop unless you have a whole bunch of things to go
to--a bag of tricks. For example, writing fits very nicely in Japan. Writing
is a task where Japanese students have some strengths compared to some students
from other countries. If an activity is not going well you can simply stop
and have the students write about what you are doing for a few minutes--this
gives a moment to regroup as well as putting their ideas on paper.
You can also shift from a whole group activity to a small group activity,
but that only works if you have a group of students that care about the
language a little bit so they wonÕt speak just Japanese in their pairs.
So you keep playing the energy and think, "Do I shift it to another
skill area, do I shift it to a small group activity, or do I shift it to
a story, or a dictation?" Often you can take the same basic language
or structures you are working with and create a quick story using them and
students can spend time trying to retell it or mind-map it.
Teachers have to also realize that when things are not going well in
the class that it is not really personal, it is not something against them.
There is no one way to deal with these drops in energy or problems in the
classroom, it has to fit you and where you are working. Very often teachers
want the activity to work so badly that they do not want to let go of it
and say, "This was a disaster--OK," and then move on. It is not
simple to pull out of that and put together the next activity, but most
of the time you can pick something that will work with your group.
Recently there has been a lot of talk about "community"
in the classroom. Some teachers believe that before you can really have
a good language class, you should first create a good community. How do
you feel about this?
I think there are many ways to build a community in the classroom and
if the instructor feels it is important, then she or he should work towards
that goal, but it must suit the teacher. Several approaches to building
community are to do it as you go along, to isolate and spend time building
the community initially, or to do the two simultaneously. You can do it
several ways, but it has to fit the person. I think it is important if the
teacher knows what they are doing, in other words, if the clear purpose
of certain activities is to build a community and that is what the teacher
is watching and assessing. And at this point, the language is secondary--if
students pick some up, fine.
Very often teachers have to finish a certain book or be at a specific
chapter at such a date. It is a mandate set by their institution. Do you
have any advice for them?
Yes, I understand this situation. Some institutions tell you that you
must finish a particular chapter by this date--which I think is odd. How
can anyone tell you where this group of students is supposed to be on one
specific day?
So I advise teachers to take the textbook and pick something out of the
chapter that they think is a main point, that is useful, and work on it
with the students until they learn it. And then make the rest of it homework
and/or reading assignments.
Students will not be any worse off doing this--they are going to learn
what they will learn and they need the time to learn it. So in the end they
will still only know a little bit, but they may know some of it very well.
Thank you very much for discussing your thoughts on teacher education.
You're welcome.
Reference
Johnson, W. K. (1997, October/November). Voices: Jack Millett. TESOL
Matters,7(5), 20.
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